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« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2010, 06:55:03 PM »
How about this question: how would allowing non-app store publications hurt developers?

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« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2010, 07:32:32 PM »
I never said it'd hurt developers, but I sure know it helps them tons.


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« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2010, 07:39:17 PM »
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How about this question: how would allowing non-app store publications hurt developers?


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I never said it'd hurt developers, but I sure know it helps them tons.


So you are saying that allowing non-app store publications would help them tons???

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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2010, 08:24:56 PM »
Whoops. I'll rephrase that...
Only allowing app store publications helps developers tons by directing all consumers to the same place where a developer has a very fine chance of being noticed. Especially since the majority aren't large companies with ad agencies of their own.


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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
We're not suggesting getting rid of the app store; we're only saying developers should have the choice of where to sell their stuff. Developers would still put their apps on the marketplace and would still be noticeable, but would be allowed to choose to sacrifice that advantage in return for more freedom. Isn't that a win-win for the devs at least?
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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2010, 10:03:33 PM »
It'd be a win-win-lose. If apps could be freely downloaded and installed, any app could potentially have unlimited access to your phone. Now one main issue is pirating. With jail broken devices since they have free access they can easily take apps from the app store and distribute illegally. Then someone makes their own free app store and everyone downloads it and gets free apps.
Wait a sec... This all has happened on jail broken devices... :P


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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2010, 10:48:32 PM »
How would buying an app from somewhere other than the app store give it "unlimited access" to a device?" Also, how would it facilitate piracy? The hardware would obviously still have security checks that would block cracked software, it would be no easier to pirate stuff than it already is.

Piracy is absolutely inevitable and unpreventable when it comes to files and software, but that's another debate.
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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2010, 12:47:56 AM »
Gandolf, you keep mentioning these iPhone viruses which I am still still yet to hear about. Are you saying that the iPhone hardware and operating system is insecure in the first place?

Why stop homegrown API's from running on the iPhone? Surely libraries that add extra functionality to a device is a good thing and make developer's jobs easier. If a software house use their own API for one of their applications, it makes sense for them to be able to port it to something compatible with the iPhone rather than rewrite all their software from scratch just to cater to an audience of iPhone users.

Maybe the iPhone is fundamentally flawed for that reason. I can take any old Nokia and run a Java applet without any worries. I could even ssh into a server and restart server applications from a command line, as long as I have an internet connection... is there an App for that?

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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2010, 06:30:01 AM »
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How would buying an app from somewhere other than the app store give it "unlimited access" to a device?" Also, how would it facilitate piracy? The hardware would obviously still have security checks that would block cracked software, it would be no easier to pirate stuff than it already is.  
The use of private APIs.

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Gandolf, you keep mentioning these iPhone viruses which I am still still yet to hear about. Are you saying that the iPhone hardware and operating system is insecure in the first place?
These viruses only work on jail broken devices due to the freedom.

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Why stop homegrown API's from running on the iPhone? Surely libraries that add extra functionality to a device is a good thing and make developer's jobs easier. If a software house use their own API for one of their applications, it makes sense for them to be able to port it to something compatible with the iPhone rather than rewrite all their software from scratch just to cater to an audience of iPhone users.
Not homegrown APIs, undocumented and private APIs created by Apple to achieve greater access and functionality.

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Maybe the iPhone is fundamentally flawed for that reason. I can take any old Nokia and run a Java applet without any worries. I could even ssh into a server and restart server applications from a command line, as long as I have an internet connection... is there an App for that?
Apple has made it clear that it doesn't want to support flash or java. Have you ever owned an iPhone/iTouch/iPad?

Which way is better is a little bit of a matter of opinion. Some people would like this so sacrifice of that...
Anyways, We have Android, we can always put the two on the scale to see which has been more success.

Now back to the original topic:
The iPhone Dev License is worth it. Why? I've experienced it and it's amazing. This is a pretty useless debate. I was just hoping to discuss the iPad or OS 4 when I created this thread.


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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2010, 06:39:51 AM »
Alright, enough of this... but for the record, I was only talking about the option to sell stuff off the app store, not the use of private APIs (which I think are a good thing as well, but whatever ::))

About the iPad, it was a smart business move on Apple's part to use software that doesn't reach the full potential of the hardware, now they can release a iPad firmware update at the same time as the new iPhone and people won't need to buy a new device.

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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2010, 06:50:57 AM »
:) I agree. My programmer friend SamBaylus recieved an iPad and says it's amazing. Looks speedy, I'd love to program on it.


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« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2010, 07:49:32 AM »
Should make a version of the RPG for it, we're using tiles so the only difference would have to be the screen size.

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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2010, 08:30:11 AM »
I think you have a point...
For making the iPhone RPG the iPad RPG it really wouldn't take any extra code. We'd just need to revamp the UI for a large screen and reposition the buttons.


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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2010, 04:03:11 PM »
I know you'd like to keep to the point of the thread; but I do have one point that needs to be made.

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Apple has made it clear that it doesn't want to support flash or java. Have you ever owned an iPhone/iTouch/iPad?

Not supporting Java or Flash is just a terrible mistake more than anything. That excludes the iPhone from viewing pretty much 40% of the content available on the web. That turns it from an "internet communications device" into Netscape 1.4 or something.

Like I said before, a Java developer can write an applet which can log into his computer remotely from his phone and let him restart server software when it needs to be restarted. That's probably why most IT co-ordinators are still using Nokia cells. In IT, might is right - the server is at the top and anything below will have to adapt to the way it works. The admin can write a Java applet (much like the one I just described) on pretty much any machine they want, test it, drop it into the phone's memory and run it. On the iPhone, it's a different story - you'd need to rewrite the application and most likely apply for a developer's licence in order to run it on your hardware and take it with you. Most organisations are fond of the former, more open-minded method whereas they would have to shell out even more cash (try getting $99 out of your boss to pay for a developers licence - they will tell you to use Java instead) for the latter.

No, I don't own an iPhone, although I've had many iPhones shoved in my face/demos/tried out in Apple store blah blah. They're pretty good playthings but they aren't serious phones in my opinion. USER REPLACEABLE BATTERIES - that's another thing worth pointing out, however that's a completely different issue. If you're happy using the iPhone, I'm glad for you, but they're no good to me :)
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« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2010, 04:58:26 PM »
This reminds me of a certain episode of Spongebob...
Can anyone take a guess at which one I'm referring to?


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